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    Listras coloridas nos pneus




    Esses dias recebi um e-mail sobre como comprar pneus.

    Diz que as litras coloridas que tem em alguns pneus significam defeito, ou gastam mais rapido, furam mais facilmente, etc...Diz que vem da França, onde é proibido a venda destes.
    Tambem diz da data de validade dos pneus, que está gravado em letras minusculas antes do tipo/modelo.

    alguem sabe se estas informações estão certas???
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    Citação Postado originalmente por Tarso S10 2001 Ver Post
    Esses dias recebi um e-mail sobre como comprar pneus.

    Diz que as litras coloridas que tem em alguns pneus significam defeito, ou gastam mais rapido, furam mais facilmente, etc...Diz que vem da França, onde é proibido a venda destes.
    Tambem diz da data de validade dos pneus, que está gravado em letras minusculas antes do tipo/modelo.

    alguem sabe se estas informações estão certas???
    Jah ouvi essa lenda tmb, aonde certas unidades apos determinados testes.. vao recebendo classificacoes, entao um pneu com codigo Z de velocidade, aonde eles acham alguma especie de defeito... eh marcado e vendido de acordo, justamente pelas tais listras coloridas.. segundo a lenda.. indicativas de quais testes o pneu nao satisfez... sendo enviados a outros lugares/paises pra venda.

    Quanto a data de validade.... nenhum dos meus tem, porem soh uso pneus importados... quem sabe os novos nacionais ?

    cheers

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    sei que tem data de fabricacao nos penus, principalmente o ano.

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    Tem data de fabricação: "DOT 28 08" - Tradução: 28 é o número de semanas e 08 é o ano, ou seja, junho de 2008.
    Quantos às listras eu não sei.
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    nunca ouvi falar dessa estórias das listas...procurei na internet e achei estas informações no VECTAR CLUBE:

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    Listras Coloridas em Pneus

    por DigSiq » Seg Jun 22, 2009 12:16 pm
    Recebi um email falando sobre as listras coloridas que alguns pneus à venda no Brasil possuem na banda de rolagem.
    Segundo o email essas listras significam que o pneu apresenta algum tipo de defeito.
    Eles teriam sido fabricados no exterior e, por apresentarem tais defeitos, sua comercialização seria proibida em seus países de origem sendo vendidos no Brasil, onde a venda é permitida.
    Fiquei muito curioso a respeito de tal informação, pois possuo 4 Toyo Proxes 4 ( 205x45x17 ) e ambos possuem listras verdes e vermelhas na banda de rolagem.

    Alguém sabe algo a respeito disso?!
    Se souber, sabe o significado de cada cor?

    Abs a Todos !!


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    Re: Listras Coloridas em Pneus

    por José Leal » Seg Jun 22, 2009 1:40 pm
    Dig, acredito que não existe isso de pneus estragados aqui. Além do mais, a Toyo não perderia o prestígio e nem mancharia o nome colocando pneus com características ruins aqui, pois o Brasil é um grande mercado.

    Até mais.
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    Re: Listras Coloridas em Pneus

    por lulo » Seg Jun 22, 2009 4:38 pm
    Essa informação não procede. Leia aqui para saber mais (em ingles):
    http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html
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    a página indicada é muito interessante...segue a explicações sobre a questão das linhas coloridas:

    http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html





    Coloured dots and stripes - whats that all about?

    When you're looking for new tyres, you'll often see some coloured dots on the tyre sidewall, and bands of colour in the tread. These are all here for a reason, but it's more for the tyre fitter than for your benefit.
    The dots on the sidewall typically denote unformity and weight. It's impossible to manufacture a tyre which is perfectly balanced and perfectly manufactured in the belts. As a result, all tyres have a point on the tread which is lighter than the rest of the tyre - a thin spot if you like. It's fractional - you'd never notice it unless you used tyre manufacturing garage equipment to find it, but its there. When the tyre is manufactured, this point is found and a coloured dot is put on the sidewall of the tyre corresponding to the light spot. Typically this is a yellow dot (although some manufacturers use different colours just to confuse us) and is known as the weight mark. Typically the yellow dot should end up aligned to the valve stem on your wheel and tyre combo. This is because you can help minimize the amount of weight needed to balance the tyre and wheel combo by mounting the tyre so that its light point is matched up with the wheel's heavy balance point. Every wheel has a valve stem which cannot be moved so that is considered to be the heavy balance point for the wheel. (Trivia side note : wheels also have light and heavy spots. Typically the lightest spot on the wheel is found during manufacture and the heavier valve stem is then located diametrically opposite that light spot to help balance the wheel out).
    As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout.
    What if both dots are present?

    Generally speaking, if you get a tyre with both a red and a yellow dot on it, it should be mounted according to the red dot - ie. the uniformity mark should line up with the dimple on the wheel rim, and the yellow mark should be ignored.
    What about the coloured stripes in the tread?

    Often when you buy tyres, there will be a coloured band or stripe running around the tyre inside the tread. These can be any colour and can be placed laterally almost anyhwere across the tread. For ages I thought they were either a uniformity check - a painted mark used to check the "roundness" of the tyre - or and indication of the tyre runout. Turns out the answer is far simpler and much more disappointing. The lines are sprayed on to the rubber tread stock after it has been extruded during the manufacturing process. The problem is that the tread stock can be manufactured hours or days before it's actually used to make the tyres. So the lines serve one main purpose - they're an in-factory identification for the tyre builders to make sure they're using the correct tread stock for the carcass of the tyre they're assembling. Think of them like a barcode. They can sometimes indicate the rubber compound or the intended tyre size and often you'll find other information printed on to the tread as well as the stripes (see the example below of a number code).
    When a tyre is being assembled, all the components are put together (carcass, beads, belts etc) inside a tyre mould and the stripes help the technician to align the tread stock properly. The inside of the mould has the inverse pattern of the tyre tread in it so that when heat and pressure are applied, the rubber in the tread stock is forced into the mould. Excess rubber is allowed to escape through little holes (called spew holes) which is why you'll often find what look like rubber hairs on a new tyre - they're excess rubber from the spew holes that was never trimmed. If you look closely at where one of the sprayed-on lines crosses a tread block, you'll be able to see where it's been stretched during the moulding process. The picture above is a good example.
    All this is well and good if the manufacturing plant uses an 8-segment petal-type tyre machine (where the mould is on the inside of a bunch of metal 'petals' that close to form the finished shape), but on older 2-part moulds, the tread stock can be pushed off-centre as the mould closes so the lines also serve one other function - a visual inspection post-assembly to make sure the tyre tread remained in the correct place. As the tyre is being spun during inspection, the lines will wander across the tread if something became misaligned during the manufacturing process.
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    a página indicada é muito interessante...segue a explicações sobre a questão das linhas coloridas:

    http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html




    Coloured dots and stripes - whats that all about?

    When you're looking for new tyres, you'll often see some coloured dots on the tyre sidewall, and bands of colour in the tread. These are all here for a reason, but it's more for the tyre fitter than for your benefit.
    The dots on the sidewall typically denote unformity and weight. It's impossible to manufacture a tyre which is perfectly balanced and perfectly manufactured in the belts. As a result, all tyres have a point on the tread which is lighter than the rest of the tyre - a thin spot if you like. It's fractional - you'd never notice it unless you used tyre manufacturing garage equipment to find it, but its there. When the tyre is manufactured, this point is found and a coloured dot is put on the sidewall of the tyre corresponding to the light spot. Typically this is a yellow dot (although some manufacturers use different colours just to confuse us) and is known as the weight mark. Typically the yellow dot should end up aligned to the valve stem on your wheel and tyre combo. This is because you can help minimize the amount of weight needed to balance the tyre and wheel combo by mounting the tyre so that its light point is matched up with the wheel's heavy balance point. Every wheel has a valve stem which cannot be moved so that is considered to be the heavy balance point for the wheel. (Trivia side note : wheels also have light and heavy spots. Typically the lightest spot on the wheel is found during manufacture and the heavier valve stem is then located diametrically opposite that light spot to help balance the wheel out).
    As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout.
    What if both dots are present?

    Generally speaking, if you get a tyre with both a red and a yellow dot on it, it should be mounted according to the red dot - ie. the uniformity mark should line up with the dimple on the wheel rim, and the yellow mark should be ignored.
    What about the coloured stripes in the tread?

    Often when you buy tyres, there will be a coloured band or stripe running around the tyre inside the tread. These can be any colour and can be placed laterally almost anyhwere across the tread. For ages I thought they were either a uniformity check - a painted mark used to check the "roundness" of the tyre - or and indication of the tyre runout. Turns out the answer is far simpler and much more disappointing. The lines are sprayed on to the rubber tread stock after it has been extruded during the manufacturing process. The problem is that the tread stock can be manufactured hours or days before it's actually used to make the tyres. So the lines serve one main purpose - they're an in-factory identification for the tyre builders to make sure they're using the correct tread stock for the carcass of the tyre they're assembling. Think of them like a barcode. They can sometimes indicate the rubber compound or the intended tyre size and often you'll find other information printed on to the tread as well as the stripes (see the example below of a number code).
    When a tyre is being assembled, all the components are put together (carcass, beads, belts etc) inside a tyre mould and the stripes help the technician to align the tread stock properly. The inside of the mould has the inverse pattern of the tyre tread in it so that when heat and pressure are applied, the rubber in the tread stock is forced into the mould. Excess rubber is allowed to escape through little holes (called spew holes) which is why you'll often find what look like rubber hairs on a new tyre - they're excess rubber from the spew holes that was never trimmed. If you look closely at where one of the sprayed-on lines crosses a tread block, you'll be able to see where it's been stretched during the moulding process. The picture above is a good example.
    All this is well and good if the manufacturing plant uses an 8-segment petal-type tyre machine (where the mould is on the inside of a bunch of metal 'petals' that close to form the finished shape), but on older 2-part moulds, the tread stock can be pushed off-centre as the mould closes so the lines also serve one other function - a visual inspection post-assembly to make sure the tyre tread remained in the correct place. As the tyre is being spun during inspection, the lines will wander across the tread if something became misaligned during the manufacturing process.
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    SOBRE AS LISTAS COLORIDAS (retirado do texto acima):

    Da mesma forma que não é possível fabricar pneus perfeitamente balanceados, também é quase impossível fazer um pneu que seja perfeitamente circular. Saliento que quando faço referencia a ´não ser perfeitamente´ circular, estou me referindo a uma pequena quantidade de casas decimais. Na verdade, seria realmente muito difícil perceber esta variação sem a utilização de equipamentos especiais para esta finalidade.

    Todo pneu possui áreas mais altas e mais baixas, sendo a diferença entre elas denominada de `radial runout´. Utilizando sofísticados programas de computadores, os fabricantes testam cada pneu e procuram por desbalanceamentos em diferentes rotações.

    Os pontos vermelhos são utilizado para identificar os pontos onde o pneu é ´mais pesado´ e os amarelos onde este é ´mais leve´. (para facilitar o balanceamento e a combinação com rodas que também possuem estes pontos).

    Algumas vezes, ao comprar pneus, estes podem apresentar listas coloridas existentes ao longo da banda de rodagem. Ao contrário do que pode parecer, estas listas NÃO fazem parte de um teste de uniformidade da circunferencia do pneus.

    Na verdade, as listas são pintadas após a etapa de extrusão durante o processo de fabricação do pneu. Funcionam como um código de barras, visando facilitam a correta combinação da banda de rodagem com a carcaça (e das diversas partes que irão compor o pneu). Elas podem fazer referência á composição do material que foi utilizado ou mesmo à dimensão do pneu. Em alguns casos, ao invés das faixas, são impressos códigos sobre a banda de rodagem.
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    VÍDEOS INTERESSANTES SOBRE O PROCESSO DE FABRICAÇÃO DE PNEUS:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2qDyAZ6nhw]YouTube - Fabrico de um pneu[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0c1ULlHX4g&feature=related]YouTube - Pneu MITAS )[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJzLQKbBPs]YouTube - O que é pneu remoldado ?[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pYPrc1l8G4]YouTube - o pneu mais forte do mundo[/ame]
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    bem interessante os videos, mas o 2º o tiozinho de bigode e 0 de segurança no trabalho, hehehehe.


    brincadeiras a parte fico grato pelos esclarecimentos..
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    Tem um vídeo japones que tb é legal. Apesar de não dar para entender nada que os caras falam, dá para ver bem o detalhe da lista colorida em uma das mantas e na banda de rodagem após a moldagem da mesma.

    No final deste vídeo tb mostra rapidamente um caminhão com giro nos dois eixos dianteiros (ver no tempo 4´29").

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUqIeQeDEZg]YouTube - visit of tire factory Dec,1998[/ame]
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    O pior de tudo é quem repassa o email sem confirmar as informações!

    Eu acabei de receber este email e fui conferir os fatos antes de repassar...e pude perceber oq já era esperado, este email (como diversos outros) é pura balela!!! Por isso sempre desconfiem de emails passando informações sem conter a fonte!!!

    É palhaçada....imagina o tempo que o cara perdeu pra elaborar o email no powerpoint, com fotos e tudo....

    bom, uma coisa é fato! Emails como esse servem pra nós adquirimos maiores e verdadeiras informações! No final acabam contribuindo pra quem busca a informação correta....

    Agora nós sabemos realmente pra que servem as listras e como identificar a data de fabricação dos pneus!!!

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