anybody here close to english ? question concerning Niva upgrade to 1.6 D Volkswagen

[dieseltom]

hi
i´m from Germany and i´ve found in www an url link
www.ladasite.com.br - but seems page do not work :(

my question is concerning an supplier from your country, which has the parts to modify my Niva - for the moment with PSA 1.9 D engine - to 1.6 volkswagen diesel

think adapting plate for gearbox is needed, may an modified gearbox shaft and some engine holder

it would be very very helpful, to get some support from you - if anybody want´s some information from german parts or suppliers, do not hesitate to ask me

best regards
dieselTom / frankfurt

[Soldier]

hi
i´m from Germany and i´ve found in www an url link
www.ladasite.com.br (http://www.ladasite.com.br) - but seems page do not work :(

my question is concerning an supplier from your country, which has the parts to modify my Niva - for the moment with PSA 1.9 D engine - to 1.6 volkswagen diesel

think adapting plate for gearbox is needed, may an modified gearbox shaft and some engine holder

it would be very very helpful, to get some support from you - if anybody want´s some information from german parts or suppliers, do not hesitate to ask me

best regards
dieselTom / frankfurt

Hi, DieselTom, happy to know!

In Brazil, normally do not replace the 1.9D by 1.6, but the opposite ...

Want to replace that :?:

:concordo:

[emtsuhako]

Hello! I don't have Niva with VW AP 1.6D, but in this forum the most part of Niva owners that had (or has) Niva with VW AP 1.6D didn't like of the performance of the engine because it's slow and it heat a lot. However, if you want to try, here in Brazil, Niva owners change the Niva´s differential gear for the Laika's differential gear. To fix the engine, is utilized Barcelar's kit ( www.atacama4x4.com.br) ou made their own support. The gearbox is not changed. In the last years, some Niva owners changed for the AP 1.9D and liked very much of the performance. Good luck!

[dieseltom]

hi
thanks for the first answers - my old 1.9 PSA will not get permission during next time driving through "micro smoke prohibited areas"

this new crazy law is to get rid of the so called "bad old diesel"
may some people hope to sell new cars with this law - but not with my support :)

e.g. in franfurt, stuttgart and cologne city it´s forbidden to drive through city centre :(

alternate i can also think about alcohol - called E 85 - in europe and replace my PSA for an 1.7 petrol engine

it would be really also from interest to learn about what to modify for alcohol and where to purchase the parts

but i´ll prefer the "diesel to change" solution

the one problem with overheating 1.6 D volkswagen we do not have here so much ...

many thanks
Tom

[Soldier]

hi
thanks for the first answers - my old 1.9 PSA will not get permission during next time driving through "micro smoke prohibited areas"

this new crazy law is to get rid of the so called "bad old diesel"
may some people hope to sell new cars with this law - but not with my support :)

e.g. in franfurt, stuttgart and cologne city it´s forbidden to drive through city centre :(

alternate i can also think about alcohol - called E 85 - in europe and replace my PSA for an 1.7 petrol engine

it would be really also from interest to learn about what to modify for alcohol and where to purchase the parts

but i´ll prefer the "diesel to change" solution

the one problem with overheating 1.6 D volkswagen we do not have here so much ...

many thanks
Tom

Many take advantage of the wave ecological only to take profits ...

For now, not recommended alcohol because of the average temperature in Europe, in cold days, you would have difficulties. I suggest even a 1.7 gas.

There are no specialists in Germany? It would be interesting and closest someone who speaks his language.:pensativo:

Sorry for the mistakes ... I am still learning English... rsrs :mrgreen:

:concordo:

[dieseltom]

reason me and many other driving old diesel all about europe and especially in Germany is to be able running plant oil and other grease :)

therefor alcohol may be also an solution because it´s to make at ourself - but gas and petrol not

think the less problems with temprature starting with alcohol we can fight against with little petrol to mix with

istn´t plantoil driving also popular in Brasil ?
or is the petrol and gas so less expensive overthere you do not have to think about fuel prices ?

rgds
Tom

[emtsuhako]

PSA 1.9D is the same VW AP 1.9D here in Brazil??? What is PSA???

If you prefer diesel engine, maybe you'd put Fiat 1.7D engine... or VW 1.9TDi... I think, with eletronic injection will reduce the polluents.

About alcohol engine, here Niva owners change the carburetor... Webber 460 is most used, but it's for the alcohol made in Brazil.

[Soldier]

reason me and many other driving old diesel all about europe and especially in Germany is to be able running plant oil and other grease :)

therefor alcohol may be also an solution because it´s to make at ourself - but gas and petrol not

think the less problems with temprature starting with alcohol we can fight against with little petrol to mix with

istn´t plantoil driving also popular in Brasil ?
or is the petrol and gas so less expensive overthere you do not have to think about fuel prices ?

rgds
Tom

Tom, so I feel you want a "motor flex" as it is known in Brazil ... If you no have problems with the temperature of alcohol, so good!:concordo:

In São Paulo, the fuel is still the most popular gasoline, followed by the alcohol and then diesel (for vehicles such as buses and trucks), however, mainly gasoline, receives many other components (including alcohol) just to make the price lower :rolleyes:

:concordo:

[Rones Jr]

Edson,

PSA is the controler group of Cintroen and Peugeot. So, the 1.9 PSA engine is like a XUD9. Maybe the German VW 1.6 diesel be diferent of old Brazilian VW diesel engine...so much better...

[dieseltom]

hi !

PSA engine is french production diesel - motorcode XUD 9
very often build in citroen and peugeot, e,g peugeot 309, citroen BX, peugeot 205

the Niva was delivered originally with this engine for very short time in europe - it was kind of business partnership to support russian industry in former times with up to date technology

but thins it just have been around 8000 nivas with this engine

PSA is very trditionell manufacturer of high quality diesel engine - but with today smoke and dust trouble
many years ago PSA was called "indenor" may you know from marine engines

rgds
Tom

[Soldier]

Edson,

PSA is the controler group of Cintroen and Peugeot. So, the 1.9 PSA engine is like a XUD9. Maybe the German VW 1.6 diesel be diferent of old Brazilian VW diesel engine...so much better...

It is possible :grin:

[dieseltom]

but think not it´s much different from yours - why sould it ?
engine code e.g. is JK or CS from the T3 transporter
all 1.6 D / TD are similar to the transporter engine - think you should have this car too - istn´t it ?

br
Tom

[Jossano]

Dear friend

Well come to ouer forum.

I think the best choise to you is use the XUD9 engine. It is made in France by Pegeut. You can find it on EURO4 enission poluent pattere. So you will not have any problem. The XUD9 1.9D is used on Nivas in France, so is easy to you to find parts.

If the WV 1.6 diesel engine in Germany is the same the WV1.6 diesel in Brasil, this is not the best choise you can have.

In Brasil the fuel is cheapper them Europe, but is expensive to us... the alcohol is used like fuel almost 30 years... the plantoil (we call biodiesel) is "new".

The alcohol liter is less tham 0,5 Euro, the gasoline is about 1 Euro.

My english is terrible, but i can speak better them i write... if you use Skype you can ADD me. My name on skype is JOSSANO

have a nice track

Jossano

[Soldier]

Dear friend

Well come to ouer forum.

I think the best choise to you is use the XUD9 engine. It is made in France by Pegeut. You can find it on EURO4 enission poluent pattere. So you will not have any problem. The XUD9 1.9D is used on Nivas in France, so is easy to you to find parts.

If the WV 1.6 diesel engine in Germany is the same the WV1.6 diesel in Brasil, this is not the best choise you can have.

In Brasil the fuel is cheapper them Europe, but is expensive to us... the alcohol is used like fuel almost 30 years... the plantoil (we call biodiesel) is "new".

The alcohol liter is less tham 0,5 Euro, the gasoline is about 1 Euro.

My english is terrible, but i can speak better them i write... if you use Skype you can ADD me. My name on skype is JOSSANO

have a nice track

Jossano

Tom, in this matter, Jossano is "the man"!

:concordo:

[BACALHAU]

Pilise, uére de SAP buton? :mrgreen:

The book is on the table, the sky is blue.

[Girti]

reason me and many other driving old diesel all about europe and especially in Germany is to be able running plant oil and other grease :)

therefor alcohol may be also an solution because it´s to make at ourself - but gas and petrol not

think the less problems with temprature starting with alcohol we can fight against with little petrol to mix with

istn´t plantoil driving also popular in Brasil ?
or is the petrol and gas so less expensive overthere you do not have to think about fuel prices ?

rgds

Tom


Tom, I've send you a private message, please read it!

Regards

[Rones Jr]

So, I think this engines are totally diferent...




but think not it´s much different from yours - why sould it ?
engine code e.g. is JK or CS from the T3 transporter
all 1.6 D / TD are similar to the transporter engine - think you should have this car too - istn´t it ?

br
Tom

[braszil]

Dear friend,
why not the 1.9 TDI engines from the Corrado, Golf, Jetta or even Passat or new Beatle engines they are all great engines and you can find them in Europe very easy. There are many different models. Check here on this website and it will give you an idea of the different diesel models used by VW http://www.gex.com/content/index.htm or here is another list of VW engines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_engines#Diesel_engines
Please feel free to contact me at any tome. My mechanic in Brasil is a specialist in Nive conversions but unfortunateli he does not speak english but I will help ypu if needed. Here is a picture of my niva with a VW engine done by him. This is a Gas or petrol for you bot he does diesel as well.

Good Luck

[VKASP]

I think the best choise to you is use the XUD9 engine. It is made in France by Pegeut. You can find it on EURO4 enission poluent pattere. So you will not have any problem. The XUD9 1.9D is used on Nivas in France, so is easy to you to find parts.
Jossano


Hi Dieseltom and Jossano,

I think you already made your mind for a VW engine, but if you decide to go after a PSA diesel engine, this little piece of information should make things easier for you (from a 2003 parts catalogue):

Niva 1.9TD

Model-version: 21215-10

Engine type: 21215-20 – diesel, XUD9SD

Emission standard: Euro-2


Best,

Valdomiro